Wednesday, 4 June 2014
Together we heal -7 ways churches can help survivors.
Shocking example of the girl and the doctor, but very much the 'Church' way:
http://together-we-heal.org/2014/06/02/7-ways-churches-should-begin-to-welcome-survivors-of-abuse/
http://together-we-heal.org/2014/06/02/7-ways-churches-should-begin-to-welcome-survivors-of-abuse/
notes
Here are some thoughts.
Why, when it was obvious from the Korris report, that Jane Fisher had put the church's reputation first at my expense, and had got me a criminal record, although more than half of her involvement is omitted from the Korris report, what I have read, why was she allowed to 'go to Jersey and liase with the police' when the hate campaign against me was on? She didn't stop the hate campaign, neither did the police.
She refused to deal with another safeguarding complaint in Jersey at the same time, but why was she allowed to be involved at all? When, despite the Korris report omitting it, she had done a large share of the damage to me?
How can the Bishop justify that and make it a fair investigation?
And on the same note, why, when the Bishop apparently received the Steel report last year after she said she was in the closing stages of her report and thus wouldn't interview me, did he claim he couldn't publish it for legal reasons and then again claim to have received it again this year ans be claiming to try and lessen the impact on me?
Why exactly has the church run this 15 month farce, claiming it to be safeguarding, when they have destroyed me and allowed the safeguarding officer who harmed me, to protect herself at my expense?
Small snippets of blatant harm from early on, include the safeguarding officer telling me that my abusers were just Christians who got things wrong, and claiming that people weren't shunning me for my abuser but for my behaviour, but she was unable to give any example of behaviour that was not reaction to being shunned for my abuser.
She also, in the email sample posted earlier on this blog, claimed the Dean to be neutral. while it is now claimed that the Dean saw me to 'stop me harassing' my abusers.
Why then was the Dean allowed, according to the safeguarding officer, to investigate my complaint, if he was acting for the abuser and the Vicar?
That isn't safeguarding, especially not the Safeguarding officer referring my complaint back to the Dean, and trying to make me meet with him again, when I had objected to the way he handled my complaint.
Why, when it was obvious from the Korris report, that Jane Fisher had put the church's reputation first at my expense, and had got me a criminal record, although more than half of her involvement is omitted from the Korris report, what I have read, why was she allowed to 'go to Jersey and liase with the police' when the hate campaign against me was on? She didn't stop the hate campaign, neither did the police.
She refused to deal with another safeguarding complaint in Jersey at the same time, but why was she allowed to be involved at all? When, despite the Korris report omitting it, she had done a large share of the damage to me?
How can the Bishop justify that and make it a fair investigation?
And on the same note, why, when the Bishop apparently received the Steel report last year after she said she was in the closing stages of her report and thus wouldn't interview me, did he claim he couldn't publish it for legal reasons and then again claim to have received it again this year ans be claiming to try and lessen the impact on me?
Why exactly has the church run this 15 month farce, claiming it to be safeguarding, when they have destroyed me and allowed the safeguarding officer who harmed me, to protect herself at my expense?
Small snippets of blatant harm from early on, include the safeguarding officer telling me that my abusers were just Christians who got things wrong, and claiming that people weren't shunning me for my abuser but for my behaviour, but she was unable to give any example of behaviour that was not reaction to being shunned for my abuser.
She also, in the email sample posted earlier on this blog, claimed the Dean to be neutral. while it is now claimed that the Dean saw me to 'stop me harassing' my abusers.
Why then was the Dean allowed, according to the safeguarding officer, to investigate my complaint, if he was acting for the abuser and the Vicar?
That isn't safeguarding, especially not the Safeguarding officer referring my complaint back to the Dean, and trying to make me meet with him again, when I had objected to the way he handled my complaint.
Monday, 2 June 2014
JM
Here's a thought.
If I was 'causing all that trouble' to JM and her benefice, for years, as claimed in the defamation of me.
Why was JM my close friend for so many years?
Why did the Diocese not know about me until I contacted them in 2008 when Bob Key refused to deal with my complaint.
And why was JM still my friend, despite her support of the abuser in Jersey, until her husband's abuse of me was brought into the matter because of JM's involvement in the Jersey matter?
If I was 'causing all that trouble' to JM and her benefice, for years, as claimed in the defamation of me.
Why was JM my close friend for so many years?
Why did the Diocese not know about me until I contacted them in 2008 when Bob Key refused to deal with my complaint.
And why was JM still my friend, despite her support of the abuser in Jersey, until her husband's abuse of me was brought into the matter because of JM's involvement in the Jersey matter?
Read Letter Day
Again, remember the voiceless, disabled, vulnerable, mentally ill, mute, who cannot write as I have done, what hope do they have against the people such as those who have harmed me in the Deanery, diocese, and church of england?
http://whatreallyhappenedinthechurch.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/formal-letter-of-warning-to-bishop-tim.html#.U4xg2HKpWzk
http://whatreallyhappenedinthechurch.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/the-letter-to-jersey-deanery-as.html
http://whatreallyhappenedinthechurch.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/formal-letter-to-bishop-dakin-2.html#.U4xhUXKpWzk
http://whatreallyhappenedinthechurch.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/formal-legal-letter-to-archbishop-of.html
http://whatreallyhappenedinthechurch.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/formal-letter-of-warning-to-bishop-tim.html#.U4xg2HKpWzk
http://whatreallyhappenedinthechurch.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/the-letter-to-jersey-deanery-as.html
http://whatreallyhappenedinthechurch.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/formal-letter-to-bishop-dakin-2.html#.U4xhUXKpWzk
http://whatreallyhappenedinthechurch.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/formal-legal-letter-to-archbishop-of.html
what is the Steel report?
A report designed to absolve the Deanery and Diocese and villify and scapegoat HG.
It does not constitute an investigation as it omits the complainant's views and is conflicted and biased to absolve the wrongdoers.
It does not constitute an investigation as it omits the complainant's views and is conflicted and biased to absolve the wrongdoers.
safeguarding
Here's a question, how could Christine Daly and John Gladwin investigate any safeguarding failure involving Jane Fisher, when, last October, they did exactly the same as her, in going behind my back and without my consent withJulie Wallman, to try and trick me into housing, when the Church of England, with their defamation of me, are the last people who can safely house me, why exactly would I agree to be hosued where I could be defamed and hounded?
And why would anyone go behind my back when they knew the situation would be against my wishes?
Christine Daly, who is reading this, should be up on the same charges as Jane Fisher.
It was remarkable how quickly Julie Wallman left the scene when she realised that she and the Church were not going to trick me into housing.
And why would anyone go behind my back when they knew the situation would be against my wishes?
Christine Daly, who is reading this, should be up on the same charges as Jane Fisher.
It was remarkable how quickly Julie Wallman left the scene when she realised that she and the Church were not going to trick me into housing.
Safeguarding?
It remains significant that the Diocese of Winchester only publicly launched on the Dean of Jersey, they made no effort to investigate Jane Fisher and Michael Scott-Joynt and what happened to me at their hands in Winchester when I was left homeless and destitute.
Fisher and Scott-Joynt's interference and maligning of me left me unable to be housed or helped and left me maligned and outcast, while the Korris report excuses it as them helping me, and in court in Sussex, it was excused as helping me, why then were my constant cries for them to stop interfering ignored, and why did the police and court not recognize this?
Fisher and Scott-Joynt's interference and maligning of me left me unable to be housed or helped and left me maligned and outcast, while the Korris report excuses it as them helping me, and in court in Sussex, it was excused as helping me, why then were my constant cries for them to stop interfering ignored, and why did the police and court not recognize this?
From twitter :)
Beware of people. They will take you to courts and whip you in their assemblies. -Matthew 10:17
Matthew 10. It remains a mystery who called Tim Dakin to 'help the lost, the last and the least' or why he isn't thus so doing, nor who gave him the authority to brand any as lost last and least who are equal in God's eyes.
But, Jesus sent the disciples out as poor, to reach out to the poor, he did not give them fat palaces, fat salaries, and loads of power to abuse, the Pharisees were the ones with wealth and power to abuse supposedly in God's Name.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+10&version=NRSV
Matthew 10. It remains a mystery who called Tim Dakin to 'help the lost, the last and the least' or why he isn't thus so doing, nor who gave him the authority to brand any as lost last and least who are equal in God's eyes.
But, Jesus sent the disciples out as poor, to reach out to the poor, he did not give them fat palaces, fat salaries, and loads of power to abuse, the Pharisees were the ones with wealth and power to abuse supposedly in God's Name.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+10&version=NRSV
After horrifically being tricked and trapped in WInchester. Christmas 2010
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26/12/2010
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you had me convicted of a crime,
so what reason do you have to keep intervening in my life
now that I have asked you not to
asked you not to thrugh the police?
I believe very strongly that you are doing this to provoke me in order to have me arrested again.
what you did to me in Jersey was a disgrace,
and one that I will never recover from,
I will ask you one last time,
with the police as witnesses,
to stop intervening,
and if you will not,
I will start legal action
no matter what the consequences are to me.
And don't try to pull the 'mentally ill' trick
in reply to this,
because of you driving me to despair by your actions,
I have been declared free from mental illness 7 times!
I am autistic and in severe distress from what you have done to me
and your continued harm.
I am very capable of looking after myself on the streets
so I will alos not appreciate what I think you intend
a combined police and social services attempt to detain me
I have too many witnesses to say that I am competent and capable.
I would politely ask the police to be aware that the diocese of Winchester,
especially Jane Fisher
have continued to intervene in my life
and caused me deep deep distress and ruined my Christmas.
please could the diocese and Jane Fisher now completely refrain.
I have been trapped by one of Fisher's friends and shouted and jeered at
in a situation set up by fisher,
and spent that night in deep distress,
hence some officers seeing me fleeing into the city centre without my shoes on.
I was convicted for my frustration at the church refusing to deal with my complaint of abuse and misconduct
frustrated autistic in distress kept speaking out
and they silenced me by having me convicted
I came home to Hampshire but was driven from my friends, the homeless services and every church in the county
by the diocese continuing to intervene
why? when they have had me convicted and taken my life from me,
my home, my job, my future,
convicted a traumatised autistic abuse victim who they failed in their duty of care to,
and are now continuing to traumatise by interening and preventing me accessing any support, preventing me building trust or friendships, preventing me worshipping, when life is agonising enough without this.
I have repeatedly asked them to stop, I have been provoked to contact them because despite them having me convicted for contacting them about my complaint and the dreadful way they handled it, they are harrassing me by continuing to intervene.
Sunday, 1 June 2014
some points
- Remember, neither the Diocese of Winchester nor macsas had my consent to intervene or refer me anywhere or to work together, as I had a complaint against both.
- Apparently Teri Bond wrote a libellous and defamatory letter to the JEP, the same JEP who are overseen by my abuser's brother, and claimed I had been sending death threats and threatening letters etc? Is that correct? This letter was part of the hate campaign against me by the clergy, of all people. Teri omitted a number of things - that neither she nor her husband nor her church had ever received any death threats or any other threats, other than to ask them to stop interfering once I left Jersey, having not been prepared to help me in prison, which was not a threat, she also omitted that I had made no death threats to clergy in Jersey, especially not 'for years', and my correspondence with clergy was in response to what I was suffering, especially their protection of my abuser. She also omitted that she and her husband were close friends of the Dean and his wife and often had them round for supper, Mark Bond once commented that the Dean was always round at their house when his wife was away, and that the Dean's wife was the real Dean of Jersey. Teri Bond also omitted that at the time she was writing this public hate letter about me, her husband was in a spot of bother for kicking a vulnerable homeless man from the church-run hostel with a day's notice, a matter which was referred to Jane Fisher, and which she again refused to deal with.
random statement extract about the untruths I heard in court in sussex
I still think this is very important:
If I had had a fair trial then the church would not have been able to get me on a false charges, ie having me charged with harrassment between 'September and June', which is what the charge remained despite me saying it wasn't possible, and the church cannot have evidence that it is possible, but I was ignored when I said so.
In the september I was tried and told to plead not guilty to Jane Fisher and the Bishop's charges, I was then in remand until I was released on October 11th, I returned to england to be immediately shocked and distressed by the interference of the very same people, the Bishop, his wife and Jane Fisher, and I went to the police twice and asked for them to intervene, I was treated as if I was mad because of my record, and Jane Fisher and the Bishop and his wife continued relentlessly to involve themselves with my life, my friends and my use of the homeless services, which led to my collapse and arrest.
It was December before I retaliated in distress, at the end of my tether, I had no contact at all with the Bishop or jane Fisher before then, and yet it is claimed that I had, as if I had simply been 'harrassing' them non-stop from before the first court case until the next one, it was also claimed then that I had been convicted for Jane Fisher and the Bishop at the previous case, which is not true.
Post Traumatic Stress
When you have been repeatedly brutalized and detained by the police, voiceless and jeered as mad and bad, you never really recover, you never really feel safe or take anything for granted.
Shafting Macsas -they contradict themselves so many times, and they help no-one
Let me tell you what annoys me about all this. Macsas acted illegally and damaged me and enabled
me to be further damaged, here they come storming into my life, frothing merrily, talking nonsense, they claim I know and have read the Korris rubbish, which I hadn't at the time, they want to support me to Winchester when a) Winchester don't give a damn, and b) macsas treated me no better than Winchester did. Macsas presumed a lot, and do you know what? they suddenly went away again, maybe their collaberation with winchester was not as succesful as both parties hoped, I do not distinguish macsas from the diocese of winchester, they are one in their incompete nce, irresponsibility, harm and cruelty. Macsas treated me exactly as the diocese did, including the same implications of insanity. Macsas acted illegally in 2011 and caused me massive damage in illegal breaches of confidence that caused me to be traced and maligned again by the Diocese, and led to me being viciously and nastily rejected for help in London, as well as macsas trying to have me 'captured' like an animal, and illegal violations of my family relationships that led to the end of any contact with my family. This same woman who inflicted these things is this Anne Lawrence who emailed me below, she has massively injured me, and here she is adding insult to injury by claming that the Korris rubbish, which has injured me eternally 'says it all', since when did macsas have the right to butt in and claim the Korris rubbish to be gospel? Since when did a report that omitted and injured me and was not changed or redacted, and which covers up for Jane Fisher at my expense, become gospel endorsed by macsas? Did they suddenly have authority to judge and find in favourt of my destroyers? And guess what, shortly after writing their rubbish, macsas was gone again. No word. Obviously the illegal collaberation between Anne Lawrence and my destroyer, Jane Fisher, didn't work very well after the initial attempts by the diocese to validate themselves through macsas.
The other very noticable thing is that both macsas and the Diocese started only using one of my two email addresses, the same one, at the same time, previously both using either.
Macsas have never supported me, they have used me to further their egos and aims and have supported and excused the Diocese of Winchester.
***********************
05/04/2013
to MACSAS
Thanks Anne,
I am relieved to see that you are not aware of my new identity, I hope that the Diocese of winchester aren't either, because I do not wish to be traced.
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 12:06 PM, MACSAS 1 <macsas1@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ok ******* a short reply
(i) I never thought you were mentally ill. If anyone at MACSAS implied or said otherwise including me I am sorry.
(ii) Really good that you got a diagnosis from a senior clinical psychologist. PTSD is something we know about atMACSAS, many of us have it.
(iii) I will keep talking to you and I will try not to piss you off - please tell me if and when I do piss you off.
I will be in touch.
Anne
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 11:47:24 +0100
Subject: Re: Hello ******, it is good to hear from you. I am sorry you are angry with us.
From: *************************
To: macsas1@hotmail.com
you talk a lot. I wish it could make any sense to me but it does not.
What you say about not being able to help me the way I wanted is bollocks. You could have helped me a lot more and you could have prevented some of the continuing damage.
Go and shoot your mouths off to the media if you want to get publicity for yourselves but do not make me out to be mentally ill. Give Jersey a kick for it's corrupt church system, don't let it be forgotten, because I am only one of the voiceless victims of an untouchable church system there.
Recent assessment and report by a senior clinical psychologist who specializes in asperger syndrome and PTSD has stated that I am severely traumatised, not seriously mentally ill.
Some of what you said and implied and did was inappropriate and wrong and no amount of
long emails will change that.
keep talking to me but don't piss me off.
J
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 11:40 AM, MACSAS 1 <macsas1@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear ******
it is good to hear from you. I am sorry you are angry with MACSAS.
MACSAS works with many who have been abused by people in their Churches and have not been listened to when they reported what happened. Those who work in MACSAS are all people this has happened to, including me. We do know the terrible hurt caused when abuse of power and exploitation of our vulnerabilities happens and when the church does not respond when we tell them what has happened. People have fought for many many years to be heard and for their cases to be taken seriously ****** and for some within MCASAS this still goes on. It is a terrible burden not to be heard and to feel rejected ****** and I know how you feel because I have felt the same way myself.
People in MACSAS do their best but we are not perfect and we are not always able to help all the people who contact us. People need different things but we try our best because we care and because we know what it feels like when the church rejects us and when we are hurt and don't want to carry on any more.
****** we did not reject you, but we were not able to help you as you wanted and that must feel the same. So that's why I am sorry, I am sorry that's how we made you feel.
You have read the Winchester Diocese report and saw what was said. The new Bishop of Winchester and the new Archbishop of Canterbury have said they are sorry. I think the Bishop of Winchester wants to say sorry to you if would let him do that.
The Archbishop is now investigating the Dean and the Church in Jersey to find out what went wrong becaaue the Dean refused to cooperate with the Diocese investigations. As I said to you before in 2011 what happened to you should never have happened and when you reported it the church should have dealt with it properly. The new investigation is now about things that are much bigger than your case, it's about all kinds of issues to do with power and authority and ensuring the most vulnerable are heard. What happened to you and how the church failed raises profound questions for the church about power dynamics, who has overall authority and what it is to be church.
You ask what the point of all this is now ******. Well the point is that no matter how long it has taken, the truth must be made known and the church must acknowledge what went wrong, try to put right the harm caused and must change its ways if it is to ever be a real church.
That takes time, too much time often, and should be quicker, but its not, because the church is a broken church and people within it are broken people. MACSAS tries to get the churches to do the right thing and sometimes we are listened to and sometimes we are not. But just because we are not listened to does not mean we are wrong. It just means it takes more time and more effort.
****** we do talk to the media when its important to do so, in order to support the people hurt in different parts of England, Wales and Scotland. We have not spoken about the Winchester case because the report said it all and because you did not ask us to.
I wonder if you want anything from the Church in Winchester now and if you want anyone in MACSAS to help or support you in any way. It is a question ****** because I think you should ask the Church in Winchester to provide you with compensation and support to put things right that they made wrong.
Thank you for contacting MACSAS and letting us know you are ok. We were all concerned.
With best wishes
Anne
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 09:50:31 +0100
Subject:
From:***********
To: macsas1@hotmail.com
Hey,
Are you lot hoping to shoot your mouths off in the paper like you usually do about these things? I am surprised that you haven't already done so, but I suppose you can't tell the world that you supported me when you actually treated me shockingly.
***********************************
05/04/2013
to MACSAS
Surely they are going to be forced to re-instate the Dean of Jersey? The Bishop of Winchester has no power over there.
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 09:50:31 +0100
Subject:
From: *******************
To: macsas1@hotmail.com
Hey,
Are you lot hoping to shoot your mouths off in the paper like you usually do about these things? I am surprised that you haven't already done so, but I suppose you can't tell the world that you supported me when you actually treated me shockingly
************************
05/04/2013
to MACSAS
The new Bishop is not responsible for what happened to me and so I am not sure he should have to say sorry.
MACSAS 1 <macsas1@hotmail.com>
05/04/2013
to me
Well there is a really big issue with whether the Bishop had the power to suspend the Dean. You are right to think they will have to reinstate him. Its a bit of a constitutional crisis.
BUT the Dean did behave very badly in not co-operating with the review and in not dealing with your complaint properly or fairly in the first place.
Anne
Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device
MACSAS 1 <macsas1@hotmail.com>
05/04/2013
to me
I suppose as the new Bishop he may feel he should say sorry as leader of the church in Winchester now.
What about Bishop Michael? Do you think he should say sorry? I think that would be right too.
**********************
05/04/2013
to MACSAS
the less you say about that man the better, no apology will heal the wounds. Be careful because I will get angry if you mention him.
MACSAS 1 <macsas1@hotmail.com>
05/04/2013
to me
Ok
Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device
What you say about not being able to help me the way I wanted is bollocks. You could have helped me a lot more and you could have prevented some of the continuing damage.
Go and shoot your mouths off to the media if you want to get publicity for yourselves but do not make me out to be mentally ill. Give Jersey a kick for it's corrupt church system, don't let it be forgotten, because I am only one of the voiceless victims of an untouchable church system there.
Recent assessment and report by a senior clinical psychologist who specializes in asperger syndrome and PTSD has stated that I am severely traumatised, not seriously mentally ill.
Some of what you said and implied and did was inappropriate and wrong and no amount of
long emails will change that.
keep talking to me but don't piss me off.
J
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 11:40 AM, MACSAS 1 <macsas1@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear ******
it is good to hear from you. I am sorry you are angry with MACSAS.
MACSAS works with many who have been abused by people in their Churches and have not been listened to when they reported what happened. Those who work in MACSAS are all people this has happened to, including me. We do know the terrible hurt caused when abuse of power and exploitation of our vulnerabilities happens and when the church does not respond when we tell them what has happened. People have fought for many many years to be heard and for their cases to be taken seriously ****** and for some within MCASAS this still goes on. It is a terrible burden not to be heard and to feel rejected ****** and I know how you feel because I have felt the same way myself.
People in MACSAS do their best but we are not perfect and we are not always able to help all the people who contact us. People need different things but we try our best because we care and because we know what it feels like when the church rejects us and when we are hurt and don't want to carry on any more.
****** we did not reject you, but we were not able to help you as you wanted and that must feel the same. So that's why I am sorry, I am sorry that's how we made you feel.
You have read the Winchester Diocese report and saw what was said. The new Bishop of Winchester and the new Archbishop of Canterbury have said they are sorry. I think the Bishop of Winchester wants to say sorry to you if would let him do that.
The Archbishop is now investigating the Dean and the Church in Jersey to find out what went wrong becaaue the Dean refused to cooperate with the Diocese investigations. As I said to you before in 2011 what happened to you should never have happened and when you reported it the church should have dealt with it properly. The new investigation is now about things that are much bigger than your case, it's about all kinds of issues to do with power and authority and ensuring the most vulnerable are heard. What happened to you and how the church failed raises profound questions for the church about power dynamics, who has overall authority and what it is to be church.
You ask what the point of all this is now ******. Well the point is that no matter how long it has taken, the truth must be made known and the church must acknowledge what went wrong, try to put right the harm caused and must change its ways if it is to ever be a real church.
That takes time, too much time often, and should be quicker, but its not, because the church is a broken church and people within it are broken people. MACSAS tries to get the churches to do the right thing and sometimes we are listened to and sometimes we are not. But just because we are not listened to does not mean we are wrong. It just means it takes more time and more effort.
****** we do talk to the media when its important to do so, in order to support the people hurt in different parts of England, Wales and Scotland. We have not spoken about the Winchester case because the report said it all and because you did not ask us to.
I wonder if you want anything from the Church in Winchester now and if you want anyone in MACSAS to help or support you in any way. It is a question ****** because I think you should ask the Church in Winchester to provide you with compensation and support to put things right that they made wrong.
Thank you for contacting MACSAS and letting us know you are ok. We were all concerned.
With best wishes
Anne
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 09:50:31 +0100
Subject:
From:***********
To: macsas1@hotmail.com
Hey,
Are you lot hoping to shoot your mouths off in the paper like you usually do about these things? I am surprised that you haven't already done so, but I suppose you can't tell the world that you supported me when you actually treated me shockingly.
***********************************
05/04/2013
to MACSAS
Surely they are going to be forced to re-instate the Dean of Jersey? The Bishop of Winchester has no power over there.
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 09:50:31 +0100
Subject:
From: *******************
To: macsas1@hotmail.com
Hey,
Are you lot hoping to shoot your mouths off in the paper like you usually do about these things? I am surprised that you haven't already done so, but I suppose you can't tell the world that you supported me when you actually treated me shockingly
************************
05/04/2013
to MACSAS
The new Bishop is not responsible for what happened to me and so I am not sure he should have to say sorry.
MACSAS 1 <macsas1@hotmail.com>
05/04/2013
to me
Well there is a really big issue with whether the Bishop had the power to suspend the Dean. You are right to think they will have to reinstate him. Its a bit of a constitutional crisis.
BUT the Dean did behave very badly in not co-operating with the review and in not dealing with your complaint properly or fairly in the first place.
Anne
Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device
MACSAS 1 <macsas1@hotmail.com>
05/04/2013
to me
I suppose as the new Bishop he may feel he should say sorry as leader of the church in Winchester now.
What about Bishop Michael? Do you think he should say sorry? I think that would be right too.
**********************
05/04/2013
to MACSAS
the less you say about that man the better, no apology will heal the wounds. Be careful because I will get angry if you mention him.
MACSAS 1 <macsas1@hotmail.com>
05/04/2013
to me
Ok
Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device
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